Wednesday, August 5, 2009

Police Officer Slams 84 Year-Old Woman's Head on the Ground

If she were a grizzly bear,
then a game warden would show greater concern for her.


How many Whitehall, OH white police officers does it take to subdue an eighty-four year-old Black woman with a steak knife in a mall parking lot? It's take one policewoman to grab the woman by the hand and flip her over her back, slamming the woman's head onto the ground so hard that she gets a head wound that requires stitches to close. Then it takes four more police cars to hold the crowd back while the 84 year-old woman is "subdued".

Now, although the woman officer threw this woman's head on the ground, we have to consider what they would have done to a 40 year-old Black woman: they'd have shot 50,000 volts of energy at her with a pre-trial electrocution device, or they might even have shot her six or seven times, because they "fear for their lives" in the face of a woman with a steak knife.

And yet, we can't help but wonder if there isn't a better way to disarm an 84 year-old woman, aside from karate flipping her over the police officer's shoulder and banging her head on the ground.

What's clear in videos like this one is that a game warden would take more care with a 500 pound bear than these police officers take with an 84 year old woman who can't weigh more than 120 pounds.

Congratulations to the Whitehall, OH police department! They've shown that they're more afraid of and violent with a little old lady Black lady at the mall than a game warden is with a full-grown bear, a moose, or even an aligator.

40 comments:

10-10 said...

All you reveal in this posting is how little you understand self-defense training and lawful police tactics.

Francis L. Holland Blog said...

I don't think I'll ever understand how police "self-defense training" compels them to slam an 84 year-old woman's head on the ground.

If "shoot first and ask questions later" is the kind of self-defense training police get, then it's no wonder that they so often show an absolute lack of a sense of proportion when dealing especially with Black people.

If the person holding the knife was a young and able-bodied man, I could more easily understand flipping him over. But all you show with your comment is an utter lack of concer for "bom senso" (common sense). An 84 year old woman with a steak knife ought not be treated the same way a 19 year-old man with a steak knife would be treated.

The commentor shows what police too often show: A wanton lack of concern for the safety of even frail people and and utter lack of a sense of proportion.

I hope I NEVER understand why the police shoot people in the back, shoot them while they're handcuffed face down on the pavement, shock them into falling off a bridge, etc.

As I said above, police officers should spend some time training with game wardens, since games wardens seem to know how to resolve situations without first resort to ultimate acts of violence.

GoldenAh said...

If there weren't any witnesses they would have (enjoyed) killing her. This wasn't an example of police training, these were racists pigs run a muck.

Francis L. Holland Blog said...

I agree with you, GoldenAh. If this had occurred in the woman's home instead of a mall parking lot, surrounded by witnesses, I think the police might have shocked her repeatedly with their 50,000 volt electrocution devices, and then shot her a few times in the back for good measure. After they handcuffed her hands behind her back.

Lord knows, an 84 year old Black woman still poses a life-threatening risk to a bunch of police officers who have been trained in hand-to-hand combat.

I guess if there had been two 84 year old Black women there would have been a real risk that the two of them together would beat the hell out of the police who arrived in those four additional police cars.

This lady had a knife and a cat has ten claws, but police don't grab a cat out of a tree and then slam its head against the pavement. If they had only treated this woman with the consideration they give a stray cat then this woman might not have ended up with her head bleeding.

Have you ever seen a cat's head bleeding after police get it down from a tree?

Anonymous said...

This just goes to show you how these racist pigs treat ALL Black people regardless of age or disability. This elderly lady had alzheimers (my father had this dis-ease)but we never slammed him around like these white pigs. She was also on a cane; and only had one hand w/the knife. These white pigs could have easily grabbed the knive and treated this elderly lady with the respect she deserves. If this was a white old woman they would have treated her like {she} was their mother. These white pigs are not going to change; they have a 'policy' (police) to kill and incarcerate ALL Black people.

Francis L. Holland Blog said...

You're right anonymous. This is an example of how they treat ALL Black people.

I think it's fair to call officials who behave like this "the pigs". They feed at the trough of color-aroused violence against frequently helpless people.

On television news, I saw a full-grown alligator being taken off a highway. Although one bite from this alligator could have killed anyone nearby, they still didn't flip it upside down and slam it on its head.

This goes to show that they're more "afraid" of frail old Black women with a steak knife then they are of an alligator, all of whose many teeth are more dangerous than that steak knife.

Police officers' "fear" is a lot of color-aroused bullshit. They act out of hate and fear only treating Black people like human beings.

Anonymous said...

It appears that most police officers pass their self defense training with flying colors, but apparently a lot of them don't even show up to the COMMON SENSE class.

Francis L. Holland Blog said...

Yeah, I think they train police officers to forget about common sense and exercise police overwhelming and utterly disproportional force, particularly with Black people.

AllanDuke said...

Great blog!

Anonymous said...

"An 84 year old woman with a steak knife ought not be treated the same way a 19 year-old man with a steak knife would be treated."
Your innards don't care how old the knife wielder is. A knife can be a deadly weapon in the hands of a 4 yr old or a 94 yr old. Consider all the tools the officer could have used: verbal, hands, mace, baton, taser, handgun. Verbal tactics didn't work and it seems to me that all other methods would be more likely to cause permanent injury than the one used.

Elie said...

THE whole world should know the name of this police officer goon. I think her name is Tammy Scott. That 84 year old woman did not posed a direct threat to this sadistic, heartless bully. If we don't stop this kind of thuggish behaviors by the police we could be next. Shame on officers Tammy Scott and fullerton. Please pray for Ms Virginia Dobson

Anonymous said...

That old skank got what she deserved. Act like an old lady get treated like an old lady, act like a lunatic, get a police beat down. Too bad they didn't tase her too.

Anonymous said...

This comment is for the person who stated that she got what she deserve. What an asshole you are. You obviously have some serious mental issues and need help.

What makes you think that anyone deserves that type of treatment. If it had happened to you or "your mother", you would think differently.

I wish someone would come up and taser your ass just for the hell of it for saying something so stupid and insensitive.

Francis L. Holland Blog said...

The police officer could have taken out her nightstick and whacked the woman in the hand or arm where she was holding the weapon. She could done so from a greater distance than it took to approach the woman, grab her by the hand and flip her over, making her fall on her head.

The police officer could have sprayed a tiny bit of mace in the general direction of the woman and then taken advantage of her inability to see to take the knife from her hand.

She could have let the woman walk on, gotten behind the woman and grabbed her by the wrist, and then held tight, painfully shaking the knife out of the woman's hand.

She could have used her nightstick to whack the cane out of the woman's other hand, which might have caused her to fall, but not on her head.

She could have waited for back up while another officer manuevered unseen behind the woman to grab her by the hand.

If this was a five year-old with a steak knife in one hand a cane in the other, would you still think that flipping the five year-old child over on her head was the only way to disarm her?

Wait! I know the answer. Police are trained to flip people over on their heads regardless of their age, size, or medical condition. That some training police get. A computerized robot with no sense whatever could be given the same software and exercise equal judgement.

Anonymous said...

what ever did happen to plain old common sense...forget your police training, killer instinct, and possibly racists views...and use your head. body slamming a weak, frail and harmless old woman is incomprehensible. This police acted STUPIDLY, and I'm not retracting my comments.

Francis L. Holland Blog said...

"Stupidly" is an adverb that ought not be retracted, although extremely color-aroused might be more specific.

Chaotic Planet said...

http://vlex.com/vid/whitehall-v-ruckman-34791953
Tammy Scott has done this sort of thing before in a parking lot. Someone take her badge and make Whitehall, Ohio accountable to the public it is supposed to serve.

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narcissist78 said...

The woman has a KNIFE. Do you think the officer should have let the woman cut her? Or trip over her own feet and end up stabbing herself? I'm not sure what else she could have done. An old woman with a knife can do harm. I don't think it matters at all what color she is.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/woman-kills-80-year-old-husband-in-rage-42844

Neutralfate said...

Really? This is one of the worst blogs I have ever seen. It immediately jumps to "OMG SHE WAS BLACK!" not the facts of it like "OMG SHE HAD A KNIFE" and when asked to put the knife down did not. Yes it could have been handled differently as far as maybe hitting her with the nightstick and well potentially breaking her old frail brittle bones. OMG THEY BROKE HER BLACK WRIST! Yeah...Okay onto the next scenario....Taser...Ohhh Fun time...Jump start her heart...Maybe even kill her...Or maybe make her heart beat faster? Make her feel a bit younger...Or like I said...Probably killer her...OMG THEY TASED A BLACK WOMAN AND SHE DIED...WE DONT CARE THOUGH SHE HAD A KNIFE IN HER HAND...BUT SHE IS BLACK! BLACK BLACKIDY BLACK BLACK...Who cares?!?!? White people aren't as racist as people make us out to be. Its black people swearing up and down we are racist...Therefore making black people more racist then we are. Whatever...Grow up people.

Michael said...

I am white, 60 y/o and this event illustrates why I take extra care while driving through Ohio. I learned long ago to for-go rest stops, gas stations and restaurants until I get to Pennsylvania. Ohio police, state and city, have been out of control my entire life. Kudos to the cameraman.

wwj745 said...

All you people saying this is all about race really need to open your eyes. The only ones who think this was about race are the racists. Race is all they see. The cops do this to anyone regardless of race. Don't you clowns understand that they only use race to keep people divided? Most people do not care about race. They only judge if they are treated decently and fairly regardless of the race of the other person. I wish more would listen to the words of MLK. Judge a person by the content of their character not the color of their skin.

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Jasmine Gomez said...

For all you people who live under a rock and feel like racism doesn't exist why don't you watch some of these video. Get real and stop living under a rock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQB7Ukd7gfk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmJ_rwseShQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alC9LhrYwC0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVrLxY-MErs

I bet you guys will excuse all this away too. Give me a break.


Suzannah King said...

The police do this kind of behaviour to all cultures. I am a white woman that was slammed to the ground & they broke my rib, finger & smashed my head on pavement. I was charged with assualting an officer. All caught on CCTV & police lied in their statement. I'm in the process of suing.

watchnu!!!!!! said...

I live in Columbus OH and had a run in with these freaking Whitehall police where they pulled their guns out on my and my son for they claimed I made an illegal right hand turn into a parking lot that caused me to make a right hand turn to pull into it....hhhmmm I had just moved here from NY and never in my life have I have been accosted by the police in that manner they should be ashamed of their selves for slamming an 84 yr old woman on her head I don't give a damn what the hell she had in her hand they could of easily taken the knife from this woman with no problem be for real and some of you dumbass stupid ass people who are making dumbass stupid comments yeah it's best you stay anonymous dumbasses!!!!! I pray to God that something like this happens to you or someone in your family then we'll see how you will see things then!!!!!!!

The people Et Al said...

White Black Latino Don't make a differance She was 84 and a potential target for Thugs.My Mom is 84 my dad 90 and couldldn't defend themselves against a 9 yr old let alone a armed storm trooper whose department policy is obviously SEARCH AND DESTROY not protect and serve.Not an ounce of common sense between all those American Terrorists The witness's should of intervened and SUBDUED the cop citeing abuse of power ,doing so is protected under the good samaritan act. The only thing nessesecery for evil to prevail is for good men to stand by and do nothing. Next time people take a stand disarm the cop abusing their power ,make a citizens arrest by calling the state police and the DOJ and keep filming.Justice will prevail

Unknown said...

OK first off I just want to say is, if you can't subdue a elderly person without using force no matter how extreme that force may be. Then you might have chosen the wrong career. I sorry for my language but it take a special type of coward to have to slam a elderly woman to the ground to subdue her. And I takes a special kind of asshole to say its ok.. It is not these cowardly ass lions jobs to be the judge and jury. And this is becoming more then a race thing cause they are doing this to white people too!! But you know the difference is they actually get into some type of trouble when they do. This is why people don't trust law inforcement.

Cary Butts said...

OK first off I just want to say is, if you can't subdue a elderly person without using force no matter how extreme that force may be. Then you might have chosen the wrong career. I sorry for my language but it take a special type of coward to have to slam a elderly woman to the ground to subdue her. And I takes a special kind of asshole to say its ok.. It is not these cowardly ass lions jobs to be the judge and jury. And this is becoming more then a race thing cause they are doing this to white people too!! But you know the difference is they actually get into some type of trouble when they do. This is why people don't trust law inforcement.

Unknown said...

You're a racist. Lol

James Fulks said...

Here's a. Idea. When asked numerous times to put the knife on the ground, put it on the ground.

James Fulks said...

Here's a. Idea. When asked numerous times to put the knife on the ground, put it on the ground.

Jacqueline Johnson said...

You were too kind to the anonymous racist who commented above, who wants to see us all back on the plantstion.

Jacqueline Johnson said...

You were too kind to the anonymous racist who commented above, who wants to see us all back on the plantstion.

Jacqueline Johnson said...

It is way past time for the President to step in and do something...

Jacqueline Johnson said...

It is way past time for the President to step in and do something...

Micheal Barnes said...

So I have read a bunch of things on here... The one thing I see is racism, then people who do not know what they are talking about. Do me a favor run around for a little bit outside. If you own a gun, then try to fire it at a stationary object. It may prove that it is very difficult to hit. Also with adrenaline, being as more people die from knife wounds than gun wounds per infliction. It does not matter if the person is 80 or 8. This lady was 84 years old and had cut herself out of a car injuring herself in the process. Now I don't know about you but in the few seconds the cop had to decide if the blood was hers or someone else's it didn't seem like a thing to ask in those few times. Dealing with Elderly people is hard. You have dementia; Alzheimer's to name a few. Most people never see that or the bad side of it. Now I am not promoting what the cop did, nor am I condoning it. You even hear that people in the video are trying to explain to the idiot that is recording what has happened.

Have you ever seen what it is like to have a few bodies laying around because people tried to talk to someone with a knife?

They look shocked but all of them are the same. DEAD. So next time you see someone with a knife. Go try to talk to them... Talk them out of stabbing you. Maybe try to see if you can relate to them. That might work. At least when you are the next headline maybe someone will video tape your death and you will be made as a hero. The man or woman who tried to reason.

I'll tell you something else... This woman was released the same night. With stitches. From the knife wound she caused to herself.

So before you try to show the bad side of things. Push your agenda and thoughts of things. Racism, profanity and self righteous. Maybe you hate cops? Is it that they bleed different than you? Or is it that they do not have a family to go home to? Maybe it is because they don't have to come running when you call after you have been stabbed.

I guess we are all entitled. To opinions, and assuming.

I'll throw facts at you.

If you have someone with a knife coming at you, full speed, you have exactly 1.5 seconds to react at 15 feet. Seems to me this cop was a lot closer than that.

What would the reaction be if the cops would have gone less lethal? Taser? Handgun maybe. All justified maybe. But riots would have commenced and some march would have happened and some court case would have been filed... LMAO

All of this writing nonsense...
Over a woman with a knife, that wasn't hurt. Released from the hospital the same day with patches on wounds she inflicted.

Maybe you all just want to hear yourselves talk.

Maybe do it in a mirror. It would make more sense to yourself because you keep your comments to yourself.

It's better than blasting how big of idiots you are on the internet for everyone to see.

Micheal Barnes said...

For the racist comments... Grow up. Daddy should have knocked your teeth out for talking about people’s race like that.

Jacqueline... The government won't do anything. Stop wasting your breath. Also it is plantation, not plantstion. Spelling might help you in the future.

Francis. Are you a doctor? or a self defense subject matter expert? Because I don't feel like your analysis of the situation was great. Your analysis is like John Madden Rating a golf swing.

Cary Butts. I don't need to say anything. You would die in that situation because only cowards call people cowards. Also stop armchair quarterbacking. It is easy for you to say those things looking at a video of something that has already happened.

The people et al... I have lost 10 IQ points just reading three sentences from you.

Jasmine Gomez racism is real... I don't need your self-centered links to prove that. Or are you a racist yourself? Maybe that is the case. All I see is black people being beaten. To my knowledge that is one sided. How about you post some black on white crime. Some Asian on Hispanic. Mexican on Guatemalan? Nope you are short sighted.

Michael... Kudos to you for reaching 60!!! But you didn't get there with smarts unfortunately. The camera man is one sided as you are. To watch something and be a true skeptic, don't you have to be un-biased and non cynical? Something happened to you to be so cynical in your life. Maybe it was the speeding tickets... or worse?

I could go on but what's the point. Someone will reply to my thread saying something like hey you’re a racist! Or Try to be witty. It won't help. I won't waste my breath on a reply nor will I entertain stupidity. Because that is what I truly believe in. Stupid people are making more stupid people. It has to stop. Hopefully some of you don't have kids. If you do, don't push your thoughts on them. It is obvious no one researched this before adding their comments. Dumb.

Just, Rita said...

Listen: What it seems that is missing or refusing to see in the comments is that this officer already had this old lady's hand as well as moving it behind when she still decided to trip her away. Really? If so, what happened to bending an arm to the back, after the fact? I guess she wanted to take the easy way out by simply tripping the 84 year old. Yes, it looked like there wasn't a thought in her mind, regarding how old this lady was on tape. Well, the tape clearly shows the police officer already had her arm as well as was moving behind too. Plus, the police officer probably also could had felt any strength in that arm too. Oh, that 84 year old lady's arm. If not for what I've seen on this tape, perhaps there could had been more of a definite threat to the office but really? It looked like she was getting in her practice! Sorry, but what a reflection on this police department and training. For real!